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[PT. 1] JUST BEFORE HYPERINFLATION…Lynette Zang Interviews a Citizen from Bulgaria

Boots on the Ground Mar 31, 2022

I’m very happy to have my guest for a new Boots on the Ground. This is Jeff from Bulgaria and, you know, frankly, I’m always moved and honored by our clients and viewers willingness to share personal experiences. Because that helps you relate better to what’s happening today. Simply it reinforces the strength and growth of our global community.

Though, not directly connected to the Ukraine, Bulgaria has a similar history with Russia and has been walking a very fine line between Russia and the West. So I really wanted to talk to you because it seems that the news that people hear in different parts of the world is all different depending upon where you live. And, and frankly, I think, think that we need to hear from our global community to see the truth of what’s really happening to the normal population.

To protect our guest, you will not see his face, although he is very handsome or his full name. And let me say, Jeff, I cannot thank you and enough for coming on today and sharing your story and experiences.

TRANSCRIPT FROM VIDEO:

Lynette Zang:

I’m very happy to have my guest for a new boots on the ground. This is Jeff from Bulgaria and, you know, frankly, I’m always moved and honored by our clients and viewers willingness to share personal experiences. Because that helps you relate better to what’s happening today. Simply it reinforces the strength and growth of our global community. Today’s very special guest comes to us all the way from Bulgaria. Though, not directly connected to the Ukraine, Bulgaria has a similar history with Russia and has been walking a very fine line between Russia and the West. So I really wanted to talk to you because it seems that the news that people hear in different parts of the world is all different depending upon where you live. And, and frankly, I think, think that we need to hear from our global community to see the truth of what’s really happening to the normal population. To protect our guest, you will not see his face, although he is very handsome or his full name. And let me say, Jeff, I cannot thank you and enough for coming on today and sharing your story and experiences.

Jeff from Bulgaria:

It is a pleasure. Thank you for all that you do. And yes, we are boots on the ground. It is a little bit easier over here sometimes to source information. So whatever I can provide to to the family, I’m glad to be able to do so

Lynette Zang:

Well. You know, the first thing that I always like to ask people is why you’re here today and what motivates you to speak out?

Jeff from Bulgaria:

Wow, what a question. What motivates me to speak out is to help other people. And that’s how I met you, Lynette and your work. You’re just seeking to help other people. I’m a bit of a consultant as a, you know, by nature, I’m a business owner. So that’s what my business is all about. But I heard that you were interested in what’s going on in Eastern Europe. I began to share with my my consultant just some information and I think it’s quite relevant. What’s going on here. And particularly since about a week before you know, Mr. Putin decided to move into Ukraine, we’ve started to see a lot of things shake out here with the economy with inflation, suddenly showed up. So anything that I can report to you that’s my motivation is to share, help other people. And I so appreciate Arpad from Romania telling his story was absolutely riveting. I’ve watched it three times it’s so important.

Lynette Zang:

It’s critically important. And, and I know that you and your family relocated to Eastern Europe to Bulgaria, where did you relocate from? And you know, why did you move there?

Jeff from Bulgaria:

Yeah. I met my wife who is a Bulgarian online in Chicago, about 21 years ago.

Lynette Zang:

Oh, wow.

Jeff from Bulgaria:

And we’ve got a son and who’s bilingual of course. And a few years back, she decided she wanted to be a physician. She wanted to come back to her home country, attend medical school, which we did. And we just decided to stay long story short. She finds more joy and here oddly enough, because her family had immigrated to the states about 25 years ago or so for the great to pursue the great American dream. But here we are in Bulgaria inspired again by you on the food forest side, which I had no idea that you are a food forest person and that you have you know, yourself set up there, it’s just wonderful. I got so excited when I learned this about you. So we’re the same. We, we came here for a community. People here I’ve noticed right away 20 years ago when I first came people here rely on each other to eat, to survive in ways that I had not experienced in America. People here in Europe are very tight knit. And especially in the Eastern Europe where it’s not exactly a bloom town here.

Lynette Zang:

Well, that’s true. And Bulgaria experienced hyperinflation in what, 96 and 97. So, you know, you said something really interesting. And I wanna talk about that piece and maybe your wife’s family is that when they immigrated

Jeff from Bulgaria:

Right. Exactly right after that it happened. So this is why Arpad’s story was so vivid. I sat her down and we listened again to Arpad. And that’s exactly what happened here in Bulgaria. Precisely the same. Yes. When communism fell.

Lynette Zang:

Wow. Interesting. Well, let’s come back to that, but you made, you made an interesting statement that about a week before the Russian invasion of Ukraine, you noticed prices and, and inflation roaring back. Do you wanna expand on that a little bit? cause I think that’s, was it an anticipation? Did everybody know that this was gonna happen or?

Jeff from Bulgaria:

I have to be honest, it was very surprising. We were listening probably about seven, eight months ago to reports. I don’t even know if you were reporting, but we heard most of central Europe was experiencing what we only recently are experiencing. 20-30% jumps in commodities in food. So it was delayed here. I’m not an expert in this, but I can report to you that about a week before the invasion, we had petrol diesel gas, spike food, just about every form of food increased and not by 10% by about 30% average. So it has caused a lot of panics. There was the gas panic. When I say gas, I mean I don’t mean natural gas. I’m talking about petrol and diesel. There was a food oil panic as well. There was even an elderly man that was unfortunately did not survive the chaos in the, in one of the stores and people were injured scrambling for what is one of the nation’s largest commodities, which is sunflower oil. There’s certainly no shortage. There’s never gonna be a shortage in this country of sunflower oil, but apparently people were anticipating, I don’t know where they got this information, but they were anticipating a large spike in prices.

Lynette Zang:

Well, probably because they just experienced the 20 and 30% and you know, 96, 97 was not really all that long ago. So I mean, we do have generations that were born after that, but I think it stays in your collective memory. You know, when it happens that recently.

Jeff from Bulgaria:

That is something about Europe that is absolutely something that is very difficult for any American, even one who like me who’s living here can appreciate no matter where you go in Europe, it is World War II. When COVID first hit, I was struck by the compliance here which gets back to the swine flu in America. We didn’t really the swine flu when I was living in Chicago was something I saw in television. It wasn’t something that I had to worry about, but here it was a very serious situation. So yeah, it’s a short, you know, people here have short term memories. They, you know, communism is only it’s, you know, was the 1980s when communism fell. So that wasn’t that long ago. So you’re absolutely right.

Lynette Zang:

Well, it’s really interesting. But since you talked about the compliance and the restrictions and then what is that? The green certificate. And now those restrictions are being somewhat lifted, but what’s been the response and the reaction of the population with all of this back and forth. So it’s, it’s like we’re going from crisis to crisis here.

Jeff from Bulgaria:

Yeah. Well the business owners don’t seem happy because similar to what’s happening in Canada we have, you know, some restrictions being lifted, but not all restrictions. So we are not under the kind of travel restrictions that the Canadians are, but early in, in the COVID situation, we were, we couldn’t move from city to city, but those days are long gone. But yes, the, the business owners surprisingly, about two weeks ago, this was all lifted. You can go to a restaurant, you can go to public places without wearing a mask. However, the servers are still required to do that. And that’s, what’s really got people up in arms is this this classification, this segregation of different classes of people is just not flying anywhere on the planet, you know, with regard to happiness and getting back to quote on quote normal.

Lynette Zang:

Well, I mean, you know, again, you said people in Europe are used to World War II where that’s exactly what they did. Right. They had different classifications and segregated whole communities, etcetera. So between, I don’t know, I’m just thinking between the hyperinflation that was experienced and that kind of segregation, I mean, it’s probably stirring up some pretty scary memories.

Jeff from Bulgaria:

I think so people are living longer. There are a lot of people here who can explain to people like me who are from outside the country, what it was like, and absolutely these things don’t go away. So we are, this country I would say, fortunately is tied to its own currency. Of course we’re pegged to the, to the Euro. However, we have our own currency called the Leva, which most transactions are done in Leva and they’ve resisted here for quite some time to, you know, join to officially transact in Euro. So if you go to a gas station, if you go to a grocery store, even if you buy a car, sometimes you will be transacting in Leva. Other times for larger purchases, you’ll be transacting in Euro. Usually when there’s a foreigner involved, you’ll transact in euros. So there is a clinging to the past. And there’s definitely, you had mentioned in the beginning that there’s this long standing positive relationship with Russia, which at the moment is kind of tearing the country apart. And I don’t think it’s just this country. It’s Romania, Poland. I’m sure. Although there’s a lot of getting in line with America’s wants and desires. Most of Eastern Europe is quite conflicted right now.

Lynette Zang:

How do you think that’s gonna evolve and ultimately end?

Jeff from Bulgaria:

That’s the great unknown, but what we’re we’re seeing at the moment. Well, we’re seeing energy. It’s the end of winter here. It’s quite warm suddenly at least here in Southern Europe. And so the natural gas concerns are not what they were. Nobody’s gonna freeze to death, at least not in Southern Europe. You know, we’re move into spring now, but it appears that at least this country Bulgaria will be dealing with, they’re saying that the government is officially saying that we’re gonna be buying energy from Russia and we will be figuring out a way to pay in rubles. So that of course does not have…

Lynette Zang:

That’s where it’s going, yeah!

Jeff from Bulgaria:

Yeah. That doesn’t have America pleased, but you know, some countries here in Eastern Europe really have no choice, particularly when it comes to next, the next winter, the next cold season,

Lynette Zang:

Right? I mean, I can remember back in the sixties and the seventies where we had the oil embargo and the vow that we were going to be oil independent by a certain period of time. I don’t really remember what that is, but the world is still highly dependent upon the natural resources, not just oil, but the natural resources that come out of Russia. And that’s a big leverage tool. And it’s really interesting that people will, I mean like the the 2022 Euro bonds that are due Russia wants to pay for them in rubles. Well, yeah, they’ve basically been cut out of the rest of the world and the SWIFT system, you know, so, I mean, I’m seeing so many similarities between what happened back in the sixties and seventies when the whole world ended up transitioning from a gold based currency into a debt based currency. And the bankers were given control of inflation. And from what I can see in the graphs and the charts was around 2013, where the banks basically handed over control of the markets on many levels to the corporations and the traders. So there are a couple of things in that that I’d like to talk about. Number one, with that big spike in inflation. I know here in the U.S. Corporations profits have just soared and, you know, while the rest of the world is struggling and the normal guy on the ground is having trouble feeding his family and putting gas in his car. These corporations are making money, hand over foot. And the costs of this stuff doesn’t happen overnight. It happens over time. So are you seeing something similar to that there? Or if you’re not, what’s the difference? It’s, it’s not the guy on the small mom and pop shopkeeper. It’s gotta come from the corporations that sell them the products. Right?

Jeff from Bulgaria:

Well, that’s, what’s interesting about this country. I don’t, I can’t speak to Romania and the rest of Eastern Europe, but this, the economy here is so small and actually one of the first things you’ll notice when you come and get off a plane, well, 20 years ago, but even today is there are small businesses here. There are a larger number of small businesses than you might expect and some mid-size businesses. So what ended up happening when communism fell was largely those in power in the under the communist regime had children and those children, the inheritance. So once everything was up for grabs their was these public auctions that were actually private auctions. So the wealth stayed, the wealth with businesses transferred into those families. So what we have here though, is a situation where in the last month or two, there is definitely shady stuff going on with lumber. Now we’ve, of course, we’ve had this whole situation with lumber spiked and then came back down to normal. But those type of building materials, you can source building materials for double or triple at a retail level here among multiple retailers. But if you go directly to the wholesaler who is actually dealing with direct buyers I know this because we’re doing a little bit of construction. You can actually source for, you know, much, much multiples, less of what the retailers are charging. So there’s a lot of speculation and unknowns and people who will take advantage of the everyday people here, if they can. And I think since the fall of communism, it has always kind of been a little bit wild, wild west. But lately it is definitely something that the government is looking into actively in terms of price fixing and those kind of things. But that’s what I can report to you. It’s a little bit wild when it comes to the commodities in particular.

Lynette Zang:

So what does that really lead you to suggest, like, what are you doing for yourself to protect your family?

Jeff from Bulgaria:

Excuse me, moving rapidly into honestly spending money, spending Fiat and because we’ve saved and we see what’s happening and moving quickly. I mean, we came here saying we’re gonna feed ourselves, but boy, is it a lot of work to actually wean yourself off of a grocery store for even 50% of what you consume, but we are rapidly moving into greenhouses, you know, structures and land that is available to us so that we can eat. I hate to say it, but I think we all know where this is going. And we as a father and as a husband, I need to prepare, and I’m a little bit energized, frankly, to feel that I’ve got you on my side, I’ve got…

Lynette Zang:

oh, thank you!

Jeff from Bulgaria:

Family on my side.

Lynette Zang:

Yes you do.

Jeff from Bulgaria:

And that, you know, it’s a sense of hey, it’s an online community because even if I was living in the states, there’s, we’re in the minority that, you know, we need to protect ourselves with the shield. And I’m a full believer in that. And I just thank God that we’re in a position to do that and to spread the word to as many people as possible, even here locally to take care of family, as best as possible hoping for the best, but planning for the worst in terms of hyperinflation and being able to have the food and the energy. The one wonderful thing about Bulgaria is the world class water. If, we have anything to worry yeah, the spring water here, spring water is literally world famous in terms of the mineral water reserves here. If anybody wanted to invade the country, it would probably be for the water. It’s that rich in, in land where you can do a lot of farming and unbelievable sources of fresh water, which is really a scarce commodity on the planet. Unfortunately.

Lynette Zang:

Yeah, it really is. So, so you mentioned the shield and for the viewers that are not, you know, participating in it, you’re referring to the wealth shield and all of the different parts? The 12 parts that help you sustain your current standard of living, which then goes to the mantra, the Food, Water, Energy, Security, Barterability, Wealth Preservation, Community and Shelter. That’s what you’re referring to?

Jeff from Bulgaria:

Yes. And trying desperately to to focus in not only on the food, but the Community aspect in a, we live in a small village, we’ve chosen to live in a smaller village where there’s very little English spoken. So I’m learning Bulgarian is the language here and I’m doing my best to form a community here of helpers. It’s really, really, you know, it’s also the food, the energy we have no problem with water here, right. But it’s it’s, we’re blessed with that. But the, the community, you know, people relying on other people to get things done in particular we’re doing some building and just, there’s a lot of, you know, Lynette, you have helpers.

Lynette Zang:

I do, I, do

Jeff from Bulgaria:

You have your helpers because you’ve got the tilapia, you’ve got, you know, the garden you’ve got so much going on, it does require a team effort. And that community component is something I’m really trying to focus more on right now.

Lynette Zang:

Well, and you know, you referred to Arpad in the beginning and he said that that’s really how everybody made it. Right? Because everybody brings a different skill set. So you’ve got carpenters, you’ve got farmers. I mean, those are two different skill sets. Maybe one person has them both. Cause you know, here Laura is pretty darn handy, but she’s also pretty darn pregnant at the moment too. So we have to be conscious of that. But yeah, I think com community, no matter what we’re doing is probably the single most important component. And are you able to easily, I’m curious, are you able to easily get your hands on physical gold and silver in Bulgaria?

Jeff from Bulgaria:

Generally? Yes. And you’d be surprised at the number of people. I probably shouldn’t say this out loud, but I’m gonna say it well,

Lynette Zang:

Nobody knows who you are.

Jeff from Bulgaria:

Oh, that’s okay. That’s

Lynette Zang:

We’re good. We’re good then.

Jeff from Bulgaria:

Yeah. It’s I think there are opportunities to find, you know, junk silver here, perhaps more than other places. We’re finding there seems to be some confusion over the value of copper. This region has a lot of hammered pots and those kind of things that you can go to flea markets and, and that kind of thing. I’m sorry. Completely forgot your question.

Lynette Zang:

Are people in Bulgaria and your experience are accumulating physical gold and silver. And how easy is that to do there?

Jeff from Bulgaria:

Yeah. It’s well, it’s not as easy as you would think. I really can’t. I don’t know that I’m qualified to answer that question, but this is a very cash based region. Arpad. I don’t know if he had mentioned, but Romania, you know, Bulgaria, Macedonia even Greece, these are not areas where you could plunk down a charge card until recently, fairly recently, I’m talking about 10-15 years ago. You it’s a very cash oriented society even mortgages. So that’s one of the, the interesting aspects of Eastern Europe is that everybody owns here, but they own outright.

Jeff from Bulgaria:

Yes. I’m not sure how you, how so when you talk about mortgages and being able to hold your wealth in gold, silver, and in particular gold and being able to you know, use that in an emergency situation. So we, most people here don’t have that need. So as an example, we have an automobile lease. So we might, you know, use the, the gold for that. But most people here, it’s family, you know, properties are passed down from generation to generation children have it, you know, so, but it’s a very cash oriented society, which is takes some getting used to, particularly 20 years ago when I first came and you could not use a charge card or an ATM card they just weren’t accepted so.

Lynette Zang:

Well, you know what they did in Greece? To start to shift that is they just shut down the banking system. Right? And then did a bail-in and you couldn’t barely get cash, but you could use your cards. And then a lot of people rushed to get cards and start using them. So what do you think the likelihood of that happening? I mean, what kind of pushback? Do think they might do that there?

Jeff from Bulgaria:

Absolutely. Back in those days, we were living here and during the Greece crisis, there were a lot of folks in Greece who were mailing money, I’m sorry from Greece to Bulgaria? Well, there were money, mailing money back and forth. I can’t remember where it was coming and going from, but they there was a lot of people using the mail system and a lot of money being stolen. So at the moment, there are not restrictions on amount of cash that you can remove from a bank. We only bank at two banks. There are obviously more than two banks. There’s a lot of German banks here in Bulgaria at the moment. There doesn’t seem to be a disruption in terms of being able to remove money for even a large transaction from the bank. It’s pretty common here to remove cash, to buy a property or buy a home or certainly buy a car. So that seems to be, it’s a little bit surprising to me. And it’s a, I’m not sure what to expect, I attribute it to the fact that it’s been historically a very cash oriented society and that…

Lynette Zang:

and not debt oriented either. You know…

Jeff from Bulgaria:

Correct.

Lynette Zang:

We’ve been trained in the U.S., Especially since it is a debt based system. That debt is a good thing. And you just take on debt and leverage, but that’s not really true in many other parts of the world, although that is shifting, you know unfortunately,

Jeff from Bulgaria:

Well, the Turkish are pretty, they, they use the word “evil” when it comes to credit. They’re our neighbors. That relationship is not so warm and fuzzy. The Ottoman empire dominated this region for a lot long time. And that’s one of the reasons why the, the Russians are beloved here is that they helped rid the region of the Turkish and return Bulgaria to its own independence. But yes, it’s, it’s actually, I don’t know what everybody’s opinion about credit is, but it’s actually quite refreshing to find yourself somewhere where everybody around you isn’t in debt. Although there are, you know, the last 10 or 15 years, there are many people who are going into debt with the arrival of the, you know, the Western European banks and all that kind of thing.

Lynette Zang:

Well, you know, who benefits? I mean, it’s the banks that benefit, you know, it’s just, it’s such a small number of people that actually get to take the interest and the rest of the people that have to pay the interest. And for some people that’s just fine. I mean, leverage and debt works great as long as everything is going hunky Dory, but it will bite you on the other way. No doubt about that. So, and you, you also mentioned that relationship and wasn’t there. Isn’t there some, a celebration on March 3rd to celebrate the Russia’s enabling Bulgaria to be free from the Ottoman empire and were there some, I think I was reading, there were some clashes?

Jeff from Bulgaria:

Because I don’t remember that, but I would not doubt that I try to keep my eyes and ears on local events, but sometimes I just have to tune out, but I don’t remember about that actually. True. That’s possible.

Lynette Zang:

Okay. Well, and I’m, I’m curious, are you seeing much immigration?

Jeff from Bulgaria:

Certainly from the Ukraine conflict? Yes. Yes. It’s not an overwhelming influx as it is in Romania and certainly Poland, Poland, but there are a lot of people coming back and even during COVID. When COVID first started and first we had Brexit, then we had COVID. Now we have this, there are a lot of Bulgarians returning to the country and not planning on leaving. I’m talking about young people. Of course they’re looking for jobs, but thankfully in the central part of the country and that we’re near the second largest city named Plovdiv, there are jobs. I won’t say that they’re good jobs, but there is there’s manufacturing. There’s a lot of manufacturing coming into the region here.

Lynette Zang:

And lastly, cause we’re running out of time, but I wanna make sure that you had said everything that you need to say, and then we’re gonna transition to Beyond Gold and Silver anyway. But when you’re, when you’re looking at the globalization, right? I became a stock broker in the eighties and that was all the talk was globalization, globalization. Now it seems like it’s De-Globalization. So are you seeing any of that and how do you think that that’s really going to impact, you know, jobs with the Globalization? The jobs went away now with De-Globalization that’s that is a huge tectonic shift. Are you seeing anything about that?

Jeff from Bulgaria:

Yeah, the challenge there, I think is jobs.

Lynette Zang:

Right?

Jeff from Bulgaria:

Livable wages. And that’s not something that this nation is known for that I dare say the region is known for. I won’t tell you what doctors get paid here. It would frighten you to death. And this is why Eastern Europe has serious issues with the quality of healthcare. Certainly the quality of education. I’m talking secondary education. The quality can be quite good, but it’s a real concern. As people return back to the country, particularly young and middle aged people, there needs to be something here for them. Beyond hard liquor, to be quite honest, it’s, you know, we’re, there’s pretty, it’s a drinking culture and that’s probably not the best thing. It’s least warm temperatures. You can see it around, drink beer all day. So as people return back, there needs to be something for them to return to on the positive side there is, I think, and I know you believe in Barter, you know, this is a, this is going to be, I think the future for, I believe America, but I think it’s been happening here forever. And you don’t have to be in a small village in Eastern Europe or anywhere in Europe to experience Barter perhaps more than you would in north America. So I think as people return, there, you’ve gotta have a skill. This is something that I struggle with. You know, my wife is in medicine, she has a skill and she’s literally at the moment in the village providing it. So, and by the way, on a barter basis. So, and she’s, it brings her joy. That’s one of the reasons why she wanted to be here. So yeah, returning to that, the, the barter system is something that I think is exciting and this is where it all started with humanity.

Lynette Zang:

It’s true. And actually we just bartered some plant starts for some rabbits. So I did an interview with Marjorie Wildcraft and she was saying as a basic that this is going to be a really bad circumstance for protein. And so she recommended rabbits because they multiply like rabbits. And then I was taught David DuByne too, who is all about the grand solar minimum climate change. And he reiterated that and yes, we see that on a global basis, that food is becoming just I mean, there are so many people that are going hungry. It breaks my heart. It really does. If I could feed everyone, I would absolutely do that. That’s why I have a food forest actually, but I can’t feed everybody from it.

Jeff from Bulgaria:

I know, you know, and most of your viewers are aware. The real issue is big cities. The real dangerous situation, I think is when things break, how are people going to receive the Food? How is the food going to make its way into these larger metropolitan areas? For me, that’s, that’s the really worrisome part.

Lynette Zang:

It really is. Do you feel safe where you are?

Jeff from Bulgaria:

At the moment? Yes. So we, we have a bit of a bug out location, right, right. At the moment. So, and it’s not a super urban country, so I definitely feel very, I’ll say very at home here. Good. And certainly more safe than I would in a large city in America, I think. Yeah. I, but we’re kind of in the sticks.

Lynette Zang:

I think you’re right. I mean, we’ve covered a number of topics, but is there anything before we transition to BGS that you want people to know that you feel that we haven’t covered yet?

Jeff from Bulgaria:

No. I think we’ve covered everything. It’s just so important to not overlook the community part. I feel like as an American who spent, you know, 45 years living in America, my whole life practically that there is a civic responsibility, a civic duty, love your neighbor, take care of your neighbor aspect that you talk so much about. And it is very easy to think that you have that when you actually don’t. And I think the COVID situation really has kind of amplified who are your friends, who are the people you can really count on when things get rough and that certainly food and water, but Community and Energy, all of it’s so important, but the Community aspect is not to be underestimated in terms of not just barter, but being joyful, being happy. I got the best birthday gift I could have ever gotten a week ago. A couple weeks ago. I got two geese. Nice.

Lynette Zang:

A good, but are geese nicer in Bulgaria because now I haven’t personally had an experience with it, but I’ve heard that geese can be mean ducks are sweet.

Jeff from Bulgaria:

Yes. But there are different types of different breeds of geese. That’s what I’m told. And these are not very noisy and they get along with dogs. Okay.

Lynette Zang:

Oh, that’s good.

Jeff from Bulgaria:

So yeah, they’re, they’re, they’re definitely make noise, but no they’re sweets they’re, I’m told that this particular breed is kind of for starters for the, you know, we’re not unprofessionals, we have poultry, we have chickens and those kind of things, but yeah. So it was, it just, it’s a blessing to be able to tell you that I got two geese, as silly as it sounds, but it’s it’s a place. It brings me a lot of peace and I think everybody deserves peace in their life and define joy in the little things and times that are kind of scaring us all from time to time. It’s true as we prepare ourselves.

Lynette Zang:

Well, I wanna wish you a very happy birthday cause that’s why I got the geese. And you know, and I think that it is, I agree with everything that you’re saying in here and it is about community and coming together and you’ll get some good eggs from those geese too. And they’re probably even bigger than duck eggs too.

Jeff from Bulgaria:

They are!

Lynette Zang:

Lots and lots of nutrition, lots of nutrition. So that’s really excellent. And as you know, we all need to be as self-sufficient and independent as possible going into this because you know, people ask me all the time, you know, where should I go? Where should I go to? I think this is a global issue. I don’t know where you can go to because everybody is gonna be dealing with it. So you just have to find the place where you feel you make the best last stand to whether this economic, social, economic, and financial storm that I don’t know. I mean, I think it’s really obvious that we’re already walking through it, but I’ve thought that it was pretty obvious since really 2008.

Lynette Zang:

That was, you know, I knew the system died. So that’s really, that’s when I started my food forest. Although I didn’t intend to start a food forest, I just intended to have enough food for my family. And then it just kind of grew. But Jeff, this has been fabulous. And so this is part one on part two. Well I hear you have your own $5,000 tomato story. So we’ll be talking about that. Just transfer over to the YouTube on BGS and you’ll get to hear all about that. It’ll be fun. And until next we meet, please be safe out there. Thanks for coming, Jeff. Bye. Bye.

Jeff from Bulgaria:

Thanks, thank you so much.

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